Me and Jen looked at a lot of courses and the schools that provided them. We decided to go for the Cultural University at Technology Building MRT. A lot of people recommended it to be really good and practical. It was also one of the cheapest which I needed seeing as I was spending most of my money on it and didn't have a job currently. So I called to esquire about the course and it was fully booked, I was really disappointed about this. I didn't know however that Jen put my name down on waiting list in case anyone dropped out.
Then the next day I got a call from Jen telling me that there was a place and I had to go there with the readies right away and pay to secure my place. This I done straight away it took a bit of time to find the school but that was because of my map reading ability than anything else.
So that was it. I had paid and I was due to start the course the next day. I was really excited about and Jen was really happy too. I got there nice and early so I could find the room I was supposed to be in. I was having difficulty as the rooms were signed well. I asked some guy if that was the room in front of us. He told me yeah it is. He seemed nice and friendly, we stood and chatted for a bit. (I didn't know at that point that we would have a lot of things in common and become good friends.)
The first day on the course seemed like it was going to be fun. We started by trying to learn bo po mo fo in only a couple of days which was never going to be enough really. The teacher seemed to be trying to make it fun for us at the beginning maybe this was just until the class got to know each other more.
Which brings me onto the class. There was such a different mix of people and nationalities in the class. There was an Aussie, Swede, 2 American ABC's, Italian, Spanish, Japanese, Korean, Mexican and my good self. The only people from the same country were the 2 Americans.
Chinese Class with our Teacher |
So at the beginning it was really fun and everyone seemed nice and interesting. Once we got through the first couple of days of bo, po, mo, fo we then started trying to learn the characters. This is where the problems began to begin for me. I had such a nightmare trying to learn them. I would sit up for hours trying to write them (over and over again like I had been told to) but I still did not manage to remember them no matter how much I wrote them. This was frustrating because other people could manage them, and then they looked at me like I was holding them back. No one else in the class worked though and some even didn't have bills to pay I don't think, but I am not 100 per cent certain about that.
Trying to write Chinese! |
Writing Practice |
Well I'm afraid if your going to be a teacher you should expect your students to ask questions and want to understand, otherwise it's blindly following everything you have been told and accepting it, where as I would rather understand it.
I understood it was an intensive course and you were expected to do a lot at home. I decided compared to the others I only had limited time so wanted to concentrate on my weakest areas which I thought to be writing and reading. If you couldn't read or write in the class you were looked at like you were an idiot and made to look completely stupid by the teacher.
Halfway through the course the teacher even asked why I wanted to learn Chinese. Which I thought was a stupid question and the answer was fairly obvious considering where I am now living. The reason I was there was clearly because I want to know Chinese. Why else would I pay and go to the class? The teacher also said that our writing ability was not what she expected. I told her it is a beginners class. I took the remarks about the writing quite personally seeing as I was pretty much the worst at it.
I also felt like we were being treat like children. For example the teacher would write our name on the white board if we were late and would make a big song and dance about it. Then say we had extra homework for being late. If I was struggling managing my time doing regular amount of work and homework there was no way I had time to do extra. Another thing is were all adults so if we are late we are losing out for ourself. It is only effecting me in the long run not the rest of the class.
As well as all this the teacher always mentioned her French student to. She went on and on about how good he was so much that it sounded like she wanted him to bum her. (Although she would bum him seeing as he is French.)
I wouldn't mind so much if it was someone linked to my situation, but my situation couldn't be compared to some bloody French guy who only came here to study Chinese and nothing else. It is not an inspirational story. French guy goes abroad, spends all day learning Chinese, nothing else, wow funnily enough he is good! Shock bloody horror!
Fuck France! |
Most of the time I was only late anyway because I was staying up all night to do the homework and practice the writing.
There were other moments too when you could clearly see the class did not like other members. One occasion was when the Italian woman started to tell everyone if they were not happy at the class tomorrow they should not come back the next day.
What exactly gave her the right to say this, she was not in charge of the class and it brought a quality comment from Anders. He grumbled angrily "DO I HAVE TO SING KUM BYE AH BEFORE I AM ACCEPTED INTO THE CLASS OR SOMETHING?" This made me laugh loads, I laughed about it all the way to work. I just had a picture of him rocking up to the class bible in hand singing kum bye ah and saying happily, "is that happy enough fuckers?"
Another time she went crazy with the big American guy in class. The class clearly bored him and he couldn't be arsed anyway he turns up late again for class and the Italian woman starts going mental with him, telling him he is affecting her learning! Telling him he could be great and getting all rowdy with him, he starts telling her to fuck off and to stop touching him and what have you. The teacher just stood there and let them argue. The fact she just let them argue didn't help the class dynamics, in the end the Spanish girl ended up stepping in and calming down the situation.
I then became very sick towards the end of the course, I think this was due to staying up late every night and the stress and pressure of being made to look and feel completely stupid and useless in class. Was making me try harder and longer every night, but made me sleep in, get extra homework and the vicious cycle was continued. In the end I thought the extra homework can go where the sun doesn't shine!
Ill in bed, trying to recover! |
The daily routine of the class was so boring too. There are a lot more teaching methods that could of been used instead of the ones we were using.
We would have a test every day which I thought was pointless, why test students everyday it is pointless because the same students will always come out on top, and the students who need more help will be obvious. Sometimes there can be an anomaly but at the end of the day some people are more suited to everyday traditional tests and teaching methods than others, and you should try and mix them up instead of sticking to the same routine.
I always wonder why more practical methods were not being used. We are in an environment to use natural learning methods and the daily routine in the class was the same every single day.
First we would go through yesterdays words, then next we would do some writing practice, and answer some questions from the teacher (we would never have to ask the question!) Then we would take a test, then we would go todays test answers (another pointless time wasting exercise because it would of been much more beneficial to go through yesterdays test answers, on the test paper that the teacher just gave us back) whats the point in going through the test you just done when you can't fix the mistakes because you have just gave it to the teacher. Then we would read read the new words for today and read the conversations from the book and that would be it.
Fun day learning, should of been more things like this. |
I had to ask a lot of the time for words I needed in my daily life, like MRT (how practical is it to know that here in Taipei) and work. Don't even get me started on the use of duo! (can mean both, not both, or some both!!!) I still don't understand how to use duo to this day, and even now when I try to use it I always get it completely wrong.
When we had a test coming up I was still ill. I went in totally ill to try and do the test but I couldn't think and didn't prepare at all due to spending all my time in bed trying to recover. I failed with a shitty score of 48!
After that I just felt totally frustrated with it and the course totally killed my enthusiasm for trying to learn Chinese. Jen told me a lot of the schools have the same shitty method of teaching too. It's not a practical way of learning at all, and it is a way that education is moving from in the UK because they know there are better ways, and they also know that way does not suit everyone.
Now I have just been starting to try and re gain my enthusiasm again but, I need to save more money to try classes. If I end up with the same shitty routine of;
answer questions (never ask them) read words we learned yesterday, have a test, go through the answers, read the new words, read the conversation, then go home. I will go mental! This same shitty routine will be ingrained into my head until the day I die.
Anders had the right idea when he just stopped going sooner than I did. So all in all I learned some things but, I feel it was a missed opportunity to learn so much more. To blindly follow 1 book that is clearly outdated is such a bad idea. It is not 'one size fits all' you have to realise that this attitude does not work. It works for Taiwanese people but westerners all come in different shapes, and sizes, and from different culture and educational backgrounds.
Why don't they do what they do in England and pick the best parts from different books and teach it instead of regurgitate from 1 book and stick to it rigidly? If they took the approach of using different books, picking what is most relevant to students right now in society here and make a course relevant to that I firmly believe people would get more from learning Chinese here.
I'll tell you why it is easier for them to just follow one book, it is because they will still earn the same money that they are now even if it only clearly suits a tiny percentage of the class which was clearly visible in the classes.
At the end of the day my teacher tried her best and deep down she was really nice, and I hope this does not offend her, or anyone else who went to the class we all have our own struggles in life, and our own struggles here and learning Chinese. Deep down I can tell she intended well, but maybe she has not had so much experience with this kind of class. In the end I think she tried her best, but needs to gain more experience because I know myself class room management is not an easy thing to learn, and neither is time keeping in class.
She also needs to calm her emotions down too, and stop trying to become friends with the class and realise she is only there to teach us. It is not important for the teacher to be my friend I only want to learn from them, and at the end if we become friends then that is fine, but I would rather have respect for my teacher because there good at there job, other than liking them because there nice. In fact most teachers who I have thought of as cunts, I have often had the most respect for! She also needs to stop clearly having favourites in her class, or stop making it quite obvious she has favourites.
I hope my next experience of trying to learn Chinese in a classroom setting will be a much more positive experience but I am not holding out much hope, as people in education here seem quite close minded.
Chinese class (I didn't go much after this picture) Disclaimer underneath please read!!!!! |
These are only my feelings, thoughts and opinions about the university, the teacher, and the classmates. Deep down I do know all the people are genuinely nice people, and my intention is not to complain, piss people off, make them angry or upset. The reason for this blog is to let my family and friends know about my struggle learning Chinese. So if you get offended, angry or upset tough shit! Stop being soft and don't let such small things effect you. Toughen up!
Keep on keeping on people!
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well actually learn chinese in Taiwan is really fun. i was in taipei too years before. around early 2003 till 2007
ok hope you learn this language successfully.
cordialmente.
Well, clearly language isn't your strong suit as your English is also atrocious. I came to Taiwan to have an adventure and write a tourism website. I originally had no intentions of learning Chinese. But that quickly changed as I travelled around the island, everywhere I looked I saw Chinese characters and I desperately wanted to read them.
ReplyDeleteBefore you decide on a school (and heavily criticize it) you should of done more research. You would of learned that all the universities and even private institutions teach from the same book. And that book is designed in Main Land China. So yes, many things are irrelevant. But whether you choose Shida, Taida, TLI, or CCU, they all use the same resources. Also, their aim is to give you an education in Chinese, not an introduction to Taiwan. From my research, Shida and Taida would have been a worse choice, from reading many forums, most students had negative comments regarding their teachers not caring, or the classes being to big, etc…
I also choose CCU and I also had Hong Laoshi as my teacher. I choose CCU not because it was the cheapest, but because the staff was so inviting and friendly. Much different from when I went to Shida, Taida, or TLI in person for more information. They just didn't seem to have enough time for me to explain anything about their courses offered. At CCU (or more often called MLC) the office staff gave me time, helped me with forms and visas, were patient with all my questions, and remembered my name.
Yes the schools layout is a little confusing and the elevators are so poorly designed. My class was on the 5th floor and I hiked up the stairs everyday because the elevator took forever and was always packed. I ironically was the only western in my class of 8. Everyone was Korean, Japanese, and 1 from India. Very few spoke English so I wasn't able to get to know my classmates so well. And yes some were annoying and disruptive and always late and it interrupted class everyday. It was unfair to the others trying hard to learn, but the teacher can't do much since, as you stated, we are all adults.
Yes, learning characters is a far greater struggle for westerners, Myself and the Indian student (who didn't try) struggled the most with learning them. But learning got easier as the weeks went on, I found if I used a character/word in a sentence just once, because I hadn't mindlessly written it over and over again and I actually gave it a use and meaning, it stuck in my head far better.
It really is a shame that the classmates couldn't respect each other in your classroom. It is selfish to be disruptive and fall behind and keep others behind because of a poor work ethic. Although, if your truly struggling, go to your teacher on your own time and ask for extra help or advice. It is also horribly disrespectful toward your classmates to continuously voice your opinion of their learning. It was not the Italian woman's place. Although I am not sure what "I am trying to fucking shut up!!!" means or how it was meant to solve anything. Some simple punctuation would of done wonders for your 'quote' here.
Yes I agree Hong laoshi is an emotional teacher. She wants everyone to enjoy class and learn easily and like her. These are good attributes if used properly. Because she wants to be liked she has a hard time standing up to difficult students, which is unfortunate because her classroom management can go haywire from time to time. Also, it is unrealistic for her to expect her adult students to just 'get it'. We all have other, very important things going on in our lives, affecting us differently and teachers who teach adult must remember that. It is not her fault for you falling behind, it is your loss. Adult teacher must not take it personally and just stay focused on the students who are learning and enjoying class. She cared too much, but whatever issues you had with her should of been discussed privately in order for your class experience to improve.
ReplyDeleteI think it is an important and fair question for your teacher to ask you why you want to learn chinese. I ask all my ESL students the same questions. It creates a goal to work towards and allows the teachers to know your motives and work with them, making you enjoy class more and feel more fulfilled.
I also got quite sick up near the end of the semester. I think it was a combination of over working, under sleeping and the Taipei weather. But I tried my best and spoke with the teacher privately, telling her I hadn't been feeling well and needed help catching up. She spent a couple of days after class with me going over our units. It was great of her.
As for the classroom set-up, there were positives and negatives. The routine is affective. Review and questions and then slowly move on to the newer material. I do 100% agree that we should of been taking up the test of the day before. That way you are able to make the appropriate corrections. I found myself trying to write them down sometimes and remember them for the next day when I got my test back. Yes all students learn differently, for instance, you express you like role-play. I personally hate coming up with some stupid dialogue or whatnot and then 'performing' in front of the class. I prefer reading, writing and discussing the materials.
There were many extra questions I had for the teacher as well. Things that were practical to know, like MRT Station. I found anytime I came to class I would ask and she'd be happy to write the pinyin and characters on the board for all students to benefit from. Also, she would incorporate them into questions and lessons later on which was helpful to hear them used.
In all, you seem to have forgotten that you are no longer in the west, stop trying to make things fit for you. They won't and never will. Eastern cultural is often the opposite of ours. And hopefully your here to experience it and learn it and love it. If you came here to fight it, you will always be fighting it. It simple is NOT the west. So relax, when things aren't how you expected them to be, just remember, "only in Taiwan" and laugh it off. As well, think back to your University back home in the UK, there are always teachers and classroom styles you don't agree are the most effective; you can always make suggestions to make them better. Do the right thing, write your ideas down, and privately discuss them with the school, teachers, office staff, someone who can benefit from your feedback and make a difference. Bitching won't get you anywhere.
I can assure you Kira I did try. I am going to look for somewhere else to go and study just trying to save up the money.
ReplyDeleteI did bring forward my opinions and thoughts about how I was struggling and I got the suggestions I put in the blog, write the characters more, make them into a small story, and just try harder. All of which I did none of which worked.
You have valid points, and some judgements from what I wrote but thats OK, everyone has an Opinion on things in life.